Saturday, September 12, 2009

Director's Commentary

Director’s Commentary
Video #1: Anthropogenic Nature-Noble Savage and Primitive Land Ethic
Kathryn Prociv, Mike Maguigan, James Schempp

Assigned Problem
The purpose of our movie was to address the debate of the “noble savage.” This debate is simple: were Native Americans really as sustainable and environmentally friendly as we believe? Throughout history, stories and movies illustrate a romanticized view of the Native Americans. They are portrayed as being one with Mother Earth, practicing sustainable land management, and leaving small ecological footprints. However, with surmounting archaeological evidence we find out Native Americans actually were not so loving and respectful of nature, but instead exploitative and opportunistic when it came to resources and land management. You can find more information on this topic in Dr. Hull’s book, Infinite Nature, pages 10-16.

Rationale
The basic sequence of our movie goes as follows: introduction, which addresses the popular romanticized myth that Native Americans were sustainable and nature-friendly; filmed footage, which involves Chief Seattle’s public service announcement, nature walk that resulted in an accidental forest fire, and his sad walk toward the polluted pond; conclusion, which sums up our position where we conclude that Native Americans actually were very exploitative and unsustainable.
We sequenced our movie like this in order to make our point as strong as possible. The introduction, filled with images of pristine nature and accompanied by a brilliant Australian voice-over, is meant only to initiate the debate of whether or not Native Americans were sustainable, or unsustainable but illustrate the romanticized view as addressed above.
The scene with Chief Seattle and his announcement is meant to exhibit the false pretenses, lies, façade that Native Americans loved nature. We had him mess up purposely, as if he didn’t know or care what he was saying, and to illustrate how many of these stories were a fabrication of Hollywood; hence the “and cut” and entrance of the “production manager.” Also, if you listen closely we tell you exactly what some of the exploitative activities were including driving entire herds of buffalo off cliffs, killing too many animals than actually needed, and clearing forests for personal gain. Speaking of clearing forests, when Chief Seattle flicks his cigar and consequently creates a blazing forest fire, his nonchalant response shows how easily they cleared entire forests with no regard to the forest habitat.
Next, we do a parody on the “Crying Indian” public service announcement in which a Native American sheds a tear after witnessing pollution everywhere. In our movie, you watch as Chief Seattle approaches a polluted pond looking very sad and upset. However, when asked if he’s crying because of the pollution, he exclaims he just has allergies! Not what you were expecting was it?
Finally, our conclusion with the return of our brilliant Australian narrator is used to sum up our point. Instead of solely scenes of pristine nature like in the introduction, this had images of environmental degradation, animal death, and urban development to illustrate our point that Native Americans degraded the land, bled locations dry of resources, and were exploitative.

Compare/Contrast to class discussions and book
Contrast: The book mentions that perhaps the Native Americans were unable to see the relationships between their actions and consequences of their actions on the environment. Therefore, if they didn’t realize that they were hurting the environment, how could they stop?
In our movie, we imply that Chief Seattle knew exactly what he did after he burned the forest when he states “wow, that really got out of hand,” “oh well, we got rid of pests and now I will be able to see my enemies,” and “there are plenty of other forests.”

Compare: In the book, whole villages would have to move to a new location after completely depleting the resources of another.
Movie suggests this very point when the production manager asks Chief Seattle what they should do since they depleted all of the resources at a given location. He answers with, “move everyone out and we will go settle around my vacation home on Easter Island.” Clearly, moving to a new location was an easy solution.

Compare: The book suggests that the Native Americans overhunted animals to extinction, and were very wasteful in that they killed more than they needed, and allowed the leftovers to rot.
Chief Seattle alludes to this directly. When asked what to do with the extra buffalo he says to take only what was needed, and drive the rest off the cliffs or burn the extras.

Compare: In the chapter, there is a very specific section on the civilization of Easter Island and how the pristine, resource rich land eventually became a barren wasteland due to resource exploitation. This civilization, it is believed, perished as a direct result to environmental mismanagement.
When Chief Seattle suggests that the tribe can move to Easter Island for its next location, he alludes that Easter Island is still plentiful in terms of resources. However, as evidenced by his track record with land practices, perhaps this portends the eventual fate of Easter Island as suggested in the book.

Contrast: According to both the book and George Bird Grinnell’s “What We May Learn from an Indian,” modern farmers and settlers should have important lessons to learn about land management and farming philosophy from Native Americans.
The entire purpose of our video was to argue that Native Americans were unsustainable, wasteful, and exploitative. Therefore, from our point of view modern persons should have absolutely no lessons to learn from Native Americans because as far our movie suggests, they did nothing but degrade the environment.

References

Major Problems in the History of American Technology, Kupperman, Malone, White (1998)
https://www.msu.edu/~colem104/paper3.htm

This essay briefly discusses the wasteful management of the land by the Native Americans. It mentions how they used forest fires to ease hunting and open up land for animals that could not live in dense forests as well as getting rid of pests. These pests were mostly reptiles. It goes on to talk about their over-hunting of deer. They would hunt young, old, and pregnant deer in any give season.

Native Americans of North America, Microsoft® Encarta® Online Encyclopedia 2009
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761570777_30/Native_Americans_of_North_America.html

In the hunting section of this article on page 30, the author uses the term “Paleo-indian” to describe the oldest Native Americans that roamed North America. This article discusses the hunting of the large mammals such as the mastodon, woolly mammoth, and the saber tooth tiger. It mentions that shortly after the end of the ice age these large mammals went extinct, possibly due to over-hunting, and were replaced by smaller mammals. It also mentions the wasteful method of running the animals over cliffs.

The American West, AmercianWest.com (2008)
http://www.americanwest.com/pages/indians.htm

This article states that before European settlers and explorers came over to North America, the estimated Native American population above what we now recognize as Mexico was ten million people. It goes on to discuss that these Natives did not recently move there, but rather anthropologists believe that they were there around twenty to thirty thousand years ago.


“Not-so-noble savages raped environment, says author” by Mark Rowe www.independent.co.uk/news/notsonoble/savages/raped/environment/author/1096875.html

This article provided a great deal of information on one specific author’s perspective of the “noble-savage myth”, and the response of environmentalists and the academic community. The author, Robert Whelan, is the assistant director of the health and welfare unit of the Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA), a “right-wing think-tank”. Whelan argues that Native American tribes, contrary to the myths surrounding them, were merely people without especially wonderful or destructive environmental practices, they simply took what they needed similar to European culture. He contends that local populations destroyed native game populations and fundamentally altered the environment, even asserting that deforestation of the Americas was greater before Columbus arrived than immediately afterward. Environmentalists rebutted and rejected his claims, citing the value of Native American land ethics as far beyond modern day standards. In addition, the world wildlife fund has described his study as “completely unfair”, stating that in modern times a third of the natural world has been eliminated in 25 years. He provides strong arguments, but also faces equally strong counter-arguments, and both are backed by considerable evidence.

“The Ecologically Noble Savage Debate” by Raymond Hames
http://www.unl.edu/rhames/ms/savage-prepub.pdf

This particular reference provides a helpful overview of how the entire debate originated and has progressed, offering both the viewpoints of those who argue for and against the “myth” of the noble savage. Mr. Hames outlines how the debate is comprised of two different types of studies, the “first addresses the issue of conservation among native peoples and narrowly focuses on case studies of resource use of ethnographic, archaeological, or historic sources. The second thread is broader and more humanistic and political in orientation and considers the concept of ecological nobility in terms of identity, ecological knowledge, ideology, and the deployment of ecological nobility as a political tool by native peoples and conservation groups”. In whole he gives a balanced view of arguments, how they have evolved and progressed, and where they will likely proceed in the future

Prelinger Archives
http://www.archive.org/details/prelinger

Fantastic resource! This is where we got our forest fire video, and all our music clips from.

Stock Images
http://www.sxc.hu/

This resource contained thousands of images, copyright free, and available for use. We were able to grab multiple pictures from here to incorporate our slideshows. Most of our images of nature came from this source.

Pics4Learning
http://pics.tech4learning.com/

Similar to Stock Images, this resource was great for picture acquisition. These pictures were slightly bigger and clearer than stock images. This resource was good for our images of Native Americans and their civilizations.

51 comments:

  1. Hi guys!
    I really enjoyed watching your video. I liked how it was broken up into two serious parts and a comedic part in the middle. I though you did a great job in presenting the information at hand in a way that made it interesting. The speaker had a cool voice so that helped grab my attention. The Indian music in the background was great. You guys did a good job of informing us that Indians weren't as environmentally friendly as we may have though. I though it was really funny/sad when the chief was talking about running the extra buffalo off the cliff and burning the extra fire wood.Some of the camera work was a little shaky, but all in all it was a great video. I would give it 8 out of 10. I think we should watching this video in class.
    Tori Hudgins
    vkh22

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  2. hi tori! thanks for the comment on our post and positive comments on the video! we had a lot of fun making it. :)
    are you doing a video or a debate? hope all is going well with your project!

    Kathryn

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  3. Hey guys,
    I like the video, you all did a good job. You definitely got most of the topics down out of the book I didn't realize how much the natives exploited resources. I like how you had the two parts with the skit and the background stuff, kept it interesting and informative. I didn't get the book joke or the forest fire part at first but after I read I really liked that. All in all nice work and nice acting.

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  4. thanks for the positive feedback! hopefully all is going well with your project!

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  5. The story line with Chief Seattle connected alot of common misconceptions with the Native Americans. I learned that they killed more animals they could use by running them off the edge, and clearing whole forests until they used all of its potential resources. What really brings it home is rather than dealing with the environmental issues, they simply relocated. While many people look to Native Americans as sustainable and environmentally conscious, they did the opposite and degraded the environment.

    I thought the commentary explained a lot of issues that were going on in the video. I like that satire was built into the skit, but the commentary really dealt with the exploitation issues. The video is very organized and is split well between the background information and the story line. The only minor issue would be the sound wasn't loud and clear like the voice over and music. Overall, well done.

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  6. Hey guys i really enjoyed your video. I thought you did a really great job informing the audience of the facts at hand and the take home point was clear. The topic was presented well and it is pretty amazing the misconception people have on this issue. It is an important part of our natural history.

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  7. I think the video was well done. I like the Chief Seattle skit; I think the dry humor of it really sends a message. You did a good job explaining the ways Natives changed and exploited resources. Using specific examples like Easter Island and how they basically doomed themselves through mismanagement of resources was an interesting way to make your point. I do think that maybe you should have mentioned that some Native cultures were more sustainable than others. The book mentions the city of Tenochitilan in present day Mexico. Even though this Native city was not leaving nature undisturbed it may have been sustainable. It recycled its waste for agriculture and had extensive water systems, if it had not been wiped out by European disease who knows what would have happened to this ancient city. Overall, I think you all did a very good job explaining all your points and the topic; the only thing I would have done differently is maybe mention some of the larger Native cities that were not destroyed through their own misuse of resources.

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  8. Nice crack at Easter Island! I liked the way you showed that native Americans all though considered noble, actually used land for their own personal gain not for preservation. And posed the question at the end, were native Americans noble, savage or just human? Your video left people thinking about the issue of primitive land ethic and I thought you did a great job!

    -- Kirsten Dobson

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  9. Great video! It was very informative and well organized. It seemed crisp and to the point. The skit was very creative! It was humorous and informative at the same time! You presented all of the information that was in the book and it was done in an entertaining manner, great job!

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  10. Good video! I liked how you had both funny and serious parts in it. You did a good job incorporating the facts and even getting points across during your saterical part. I enjoyed how you made the Chief Seattle thing very scripted and seemingly fake. All in all i say a job very well done!

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  11. This video was interesting and entertaining. At first, I was a little concerned that its focus was primarily entertainment, but if you listen to some of the dialogue, it does present some good points. For example, land was often cleared and burned to provide visibility during tribal wars. Overall, the video does demonstrate that native Americans may not have been as environmentally-minded as we have thought. It would have been nice if it could have shown more than one side, because I’m sure that the natives were doing something that we could learn from.

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  12. Wow. Awesome video guys. I'm really fond of the accent of the narrator. I liked the use of humor. What fun is learning something if you can't laugh? I was a little confused on the part where Chief Seattle was crying. I thought he actually was crying because of the pollution and was using the "allergies" as a typical "man" excuse. Overall though I thought it presented the idea nicely.

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  13. I loved your video. The whole “noble savage” debate reminds me of a book I read when I was taking an American Indian class as a freshman. It was written by a Native American as he reminisced over his life at the reservation, and about their way of life. He said he was proud when he saw Native American’s houses on the rez with junk cars sitting in the back, because it epitomized Indian way of life in that when you’re done using something you leave it. The only thing was, in the past everything they left behind could biodegrade and go back to the earth, now things like cars just sit around and rust.

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  14. I enjoyed the video; I thought that the skit with Chief Seattle really helped make your opinion on the subject easily understandable. I think that the humor that you incorporated into it was a good way to convey how the Indians mistreated the earth and did not really care about what they were doing to it. I thought that the voices were a little bit hard to understand at times but overall I liked it.

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  15. I enjoyed the video. I think a little more text during the video would help to get the point across. I found myself wondering if I was getting the right impression from the video after I finished watching it. I was not sure it that was what you were trying to do. I know you worked really hard on it and spent a lot of time in the Innovation Space and overall I think you did a nice job.

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  16. I thought this video did a really good job disproving all of the myths about Native American land ethic with hard facts. It used examples from the book and displayed them in an interesting manner. The video incorporated humor and serious scenes to convey their opinion that the idea of the noble savage is a lie. Although the scenes with Chief Seattle were difficult to hear because of the audio levels, they showed how the Chief Seattle quote that everyone references in environmental debates, is in fact, a product of Hollywood.

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  17. This team did an excellent job of showing rather than telling, which was a difficult task. They also managed to make it funny and humor can be a hard thing to pull off. They covered almost all of the information from the book and really encompassed the whole topic. My only concern is that although the video is funny it could be seen as disrespectful to native people. Hopefully it will be seen for what it is, an educational tool. Nice work guys.

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  18. I liked the sequence of your segments and think you did a great job of proving the point you wanted to make. The Chief Seattle interview scene was a good way to illustrate the falsity of the Hollywood depiction of Native Americans. Good use of props and music to tie in with your topic. I also really liked the sepia and black and white tones used for later segments of your podcast.

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  19. I really enjoyed your video! I thought you made a few exaggerations, especially regarding "Chief Seattle's" lack of concern for the fire he caused on accident. However, I thought you were very effective in conveying your points. Also, you had some interesting references. Overall, I thought that your video did a good job of illustrating how the native american land ethic as portrayed by popular culture is not necessarily how it really was.

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  20. I think you guys did a great job on your video! Your directors comments were very clear and well thought out. The video was informative and entertaining I really enjoyed it!

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  21. This was a great video! I love having some humor in my learning experiences, so this was a perfect satirical view of native stereotypes. Chief Seattle made an eye-opening appearance, accidentally causing a forest fire and visiting a polluted pond. This video was done very well, showing that indigenous tribes were not the best stewards of the environment either. Before this class and this video, I had always thought the natives practiced the most environmentally friendly way of life. Now I have a better understanding of what really happened.

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  22. I thought the video was well done. The information was informative while the group added humor to lighten the tension of the video. The skit provided an excellent, extreme representation of the issue at hand. The narrator sections allowed the viewer to hear exactly what the issues are while the skit provided an exaggerated example. It is obvious that a lot of thought and work went into this video. The group seemed put a lot of effort into the video and covered the information in the book well. Everyone in the video was well spoken and easy to understand, which further bettered the video.

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  23. Your video was really good and the reenactment of Chief Seattle was extremely interesting! You covred all the topics that were presented throuhout the book thouroughly and made some great points!

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  24. I enjoyed this video. The satire that was used to represent Chief Seattle was a little unrealistic. But overall it was a very entertaining video. I was nto aware of how much waste native americans produced and how they did not completely utilize their resources effectively.

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  25. The video was very entertaining – the satire of our romanticization of Native American culture was humorous and was a refreshing change of pace from the informative nature of most of the other videos. Although it was entertaining, I feel like the video lacked substance. There was no evidence presented to support any of your claims even when its existence was claimed. Without a solid foundation on fact, your argument quickly turns into regurgitation of accusation with a comic interlude.

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  26. I thought the video did a good job of getting the point across that Native Americans may not have been as environmentally sustainable as everybody thinks. I think the two parts of the video that really drove this point home was when Chief Seatle wanted to drive the buffalo off a cliff a take only what was needed. The other part was after the forest fire and he joked about getting rid of all the pests and being able to see his enemies.

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  27. Thought the movie was great! Well put together and definitely got the point across. You stated well the debate between whether the Native Americans were savages or nobles. Also, you demonstrated well both sides of the Native American story. It’s interesting to see it from both sides, and also to think that maybe the Native Americans weren’t as environmentally friendly as we’d like to think they were. I was glad to see some justification for some of the things they did though. Really great job.

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  28. I thought you guys did a good job. I liked how you made your point while keeping it interesting and funny. Good job.

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  29. Great job on the video guys. All of the music and comedy included was great. The only thing that may have made the video a little better would be to slow down the pictures, or allow more time for them to show. They were all really good pictures, but if you had more time to look at them, it would add that much more, at least in my opinion. Great job though!

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  30. Hey guys :) Great Job on the video! It was entertaining and informative, especially with the Chief Seattle skit. You definitely portrayed the information from the book well. One suggestion would be to slow down some of the pictures because I definitely didn't see some ad couldn't read the whole "Smokey" comic without rewinding back! Another suggestion would be to include more substantial information about the noble savage, the video seemed to overlook to actual information and required previous understand before viewing the video. Other than that, awesome job!

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  31. I think you guys did a very good job with the video. You were informative and didn't bore me! I thought the skits were a great way to show how the Native Americans were exploitive and to kind of mock how Hollywood has portrayed them. I would have showed the Smokey the Bear comic a little longer because it was a little hard to read it all that fast but overall you guys did great.

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  32. Nice video. I liked the satirical Hollywood image of Chief Seattle played by one of the team members. I think they presented the information in the book very well through Chief Seattle and the narrative explanation. I just hope that people who watch this video will not be insulted and that they get the message about the Native Americans. Were they just human? Or were the exploiting the environment?

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  33. I thought that overall you guys did a great job portraying the topic. You definitely seemed to be determined to get the point across that Native Americans were not sustainable. I do feel that you presented everything in a good manner with the voiceover and the acting; it was a good balance. To me, some of the pictures during the voiceover didn’t flow well with what was being said; however, most I thought were appropriate, so good job.

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  34. I thought the video was done well. The group presented the information in a nice way, and thoroughly portrayed what the text discussed in the book. I liked how they also showed the misconceptions many individuals had of how those, such as the Native Americans, lived and how Hollywood was keeping this “noble savage” image alive.

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  35. I thought the movie was very well put together. I liked the use of Chief Seattle as a parody in the film. It made it easy to compare what we talked about in lecture to the video. You did a good job at taking a wide approach to viewing the natives as savages. Talking about how they drove animals off cliffs, burned forests to the ground, and overexploited many resources. I like how they addressed the many misconceptions of people today as the Native Americans being noble land users and having such ideal lifestyles compared to our society today.

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  36. I thought your video was very well thought out. Although at times it was a little difficult to hear what Chief Seattle was saying, the dialogue definitely put your point across. But, i agree with the reviewed above who said that his portrayal was an exaggeration. I also thought your music was perfect for the movie and helped in favor of its appeal. I believe the facts followed closely to Dr. Hull's book. It would of been interesting to get more or alternative information on the topic.

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  37. I enjoyed the video, especially the voice over Australian accent. Good quick progression of photos. The Chief Seattle skit was pretty cool and I agree that it's the Indian's fault for polluting the duck pond! The script was nicely laid out with a good dose of bias. I think you got your point across. The music also added well to the effect of certain scenes.

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  38. The video was difficult to follow. It introduced the Native Americans as a good people, then made a mockery out of them with the Chief Seattle impersonation, and continued to go on and leave the viewers with a confusing message. They made Native Americans seem like very wasteful, ignorant, uncaring individuals, and it didn’t seem to be carried out in a very tasteful or tactful manner. I think that some people would find it an offensive representation. I know that it was supposed to be funny/satirical, but in my opinion it didn’t come off that way.

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  39. I thought the video was done pretty well. It did address the issue of primitives being harmful to the land. It may be a myth that Native Americans took complete care of the land and lived in total harmony with nature, but they were a far cry from the white man's way. Our advantages in social organization, writing and weaponry led us to come to North America and act in a way that was capitalistic and technologically innovative, and thus has much more effect on the environment and resources. The natives were noble and understood collectively that preserving the human spirit keep us sane and keeps us from becoming a victim of modern society’s rat race.

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  40. I was a little confused by the sequencing of the scenes and by the usage of pictures and parodies when I first watched the video. However, once I read the directors' commentary, it made complete sense and upon watching it again, it was a very clever and descriptive way of representing the misconceptions of Native American land usage. I especially like the contrasting pictures used during the opening and during the finale and how the showed the misconception and the reality.

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  41. You guys did a great job on this video. I like how you covered all the bases while still using a little humor to capture the audience.

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  42. I thought this video was utter bull crap, making generalist comments and assuming that all native groups were responsible for the same crimes. Have you ever looked at ancent Europe, pretty darn hard to keep a large population of folks in a small area for a very large portion of time. And if you havent seen the studys many plant species now requeir burning to sustain their populations, im appalled.

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  43. Great video, it really illustrates the misconception of how Chief Seattle and the Native Americans treated the land. Thought that the music went along well with each scene. The “fire” effect was cool. The skit added comedy and captured the audience’s attention. The commentary part was very informative and adds a more serious tone when compared to the skit. Good job guys!

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  44. This was a great video. I liked the funny aspect because it contained actual educational value. The video was well produced and all of the parts fit together well. I definitely agree with your view of native Americans. Hollywood and other media sources have created a false image of native Americans. Good work.

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  45. Awesome video. Good facts and very funny. You did a very good job of portraying your point in a funny and interesting manner. Excellent job of "showing not telling" the point you were trying to make. Great editing job too, overall great work.

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  46. The video shows one side of the "noble savage" debate in a creative way. The blending of modern lifestyle in the portrayal of Chief Seattle was interesting. The point is clear. Though I'm not sure the facts are made entirely clear. If someone who didn't know the factual basis of the video saw it they might be confused.

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  47. What a funny and creative video. You managed to keep the video light and humorous despite the controversial subject. I thought the segment with the chief was funny, but I think that a more traditional documentary could have laid out the facts in a more understandable and straightforward way. I enjoyed it a lot, though.

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  48. Great video! I loved the Chief Seattle spoof; it really illustrated the emotional tie that people can have when they are enamored with the ideal of a virgin continent possessing “superior indigenous knowledge.” The whole speech was a romanticized attempt to “nobilize the savages” of the American West. In my opinion, Americans enjoy the “noble savage and primitive land ethic” because it glorifies our experience and heritage as trans-Atlantic adventurers and then pioneers. In this fantasy, we met native people who possessed omniscient knowledge, to whom the white man becomes disciple, and then surpasses with his own ingenuity to conquer his old master. Our conquering of the continent thus becomes more flattering. Ultimately, it’s a Euro-centric story that strokes our egos and deifies our land and supports the “God” ideal of our ancestors’ “God, Glory, Gold” philosophy.

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  49. I felt that this video was enjoyable. I was glad to see that this group incorporated factual information in the beginning and end with the humorous skit in the middle. It portrayed the way that the media portrayed Indians compared to the way many of them acted in real life.

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  50. Brilliant video!! great use of pictures and lighting! I especially enjoyed the begining scene.

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  51. Great Video, loved it! Great use of music and it got the point across.

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